Amir Parviz (for a secular Monarchy in Iran)
I find too many Iranians living in the west are solely influenced by   western propaganda, which I define as media being produced by the   UK/Israel/France/Germany/USA and their junior affiliates, Poland, Italy,   Spain etc.
 Look at the information we know for sure…
 Iran used to give loans in the Billions to Germany, USA, UK, France   during Shahs time.  Iran could not spend the wealth it was creating   quickly enough, it was cash rich.
 Those same countries, western democracies, portrayed the shah a despot, crook, tyrant, megalomaNIAC, corrupt etc, etc, etc.
 So the same Iran and Shah they could not hold back economically or  rob,  by using  manipulation, deceit and coercion they destroyed.  The  style  of effective Propaganda was specifically designed for Iranians and   their village gossip way of dealing with life.
 What is clear is the Shah would not sign off on corruption and never   accepted a No as far as technology or development for Iranians by any   nation.
 Today these same countries USA/Germany/France/UK with the IMF give   loans/debt to democratic goverments they have can have a big influence   on, and their leaders are not called corrupt megalomaniacs, but great   countries… what a joke.. Look at the level of debt their democratic  governments have incurred.
 Greece “$485 Billion Dollars”
 Ireland “$1,045 Billion Dollars”
 Spain “$1,100 Billion Dollars”
 Italy “$1,100 Billion Dollars”
 And Iranians want to pursue a DEMOCRATIC future…. what a dirty ,  even  perverse joke in comparison to what Ira was honestly during the  time  of the late shah, today we see arguments are won with out right  lies.   So you don”t have the ability to choose based on the truth. You  can  only choose based on deceit and manipulation.  Is that what you  think  will serve Iranians?
 It is no wonder these countries and their leaders are not called   despotic tyranies, even when we know they participated in secret torture   chambers by of the CIA.  Is this the type of free worlds mass media we   want for Iran?  These periferal countries do not serve their own  people  but serve the USA/Germany/France/UK, all nuclear super powers.   During  the Shahs time Iran was poised to overtake all of these  countries except  for the USA economically speaking.
 No wonder the USA and it”s partners wanted the IRI for Iran and now   lead Iranians to seeking more democracy for IRAN.  Democracy is code for   control and foreign domination.  As Russia discovered under Yeltsin,   which is why the russian secret service brought Putin and now yet again   the so called free world media is used to attack putin “saying he is   corrupt” but the truth is the exact opposite as we can see from russia”s   success.
 Iranians used to chant Freedom, Independence, Islamic Republic,  clearly  we were independent and free, it was those things that the west  stole  from us by removing the Shah at our own deceived hands.  It was  exactly  because we had a king that was involved in politics upto the  neck that  Iran did not suffer the same fate as all these countries and  Iran  under the shah served Iranians and was independent.  It was  progressing  because he served honestly and without corruption,  unfortunately the  Iranian people due to disingenuous reporting on issues  of human rights  stopped trusting the Shah.
 My view based on what information I have is Iran needs a Shah that   should have his hands in politics and that we leave Irans politics to   polticians seeking power at our own peril.  That is assuming we are   serious on how to make Iran a Champion leading country, like it was   under the Shah.
 Those that want a multi-party system without an arbitror like the  Shah  are talking based on what information.  Shouldn”t responsible  people  look at both sides of the equation, not just what it is that  Iranians  say they want, but also looking at what that desire will create  in  reality.  Isn”t it dangerous to ignore key information, regarding  what a  democracy will really give birth to in Iran.
 I strongly doubt a parliamentary democracy like the UK will create a   leading country, a winning country, a country rich in splendour like   Iran was in the late 60″s and early 70″s, especially because that is the   easiest way to be dominated, when strong democratic institutions do  not  exist.  I feel people don”t have information and are influenced by   propaganda make stupid decisions.  Sadly they put their lives behind   those decisions. But I”d like other knowledge and expertise on this   subject of restoring freedom and justice for Iranians.
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Reply by Radius 
Amir, I dont care about the impressiv economical figures that you   present here. Whatever you wrote about national income and debts and   loans, thats not the problem of the people of Iran. I guess in this   matter, they are doing much better than a lot of other countries in the   middle east.
 What the people of Iran deserve, and what is all the political unrest   about at the moment is freedom in the first instance. The green movement   is mainly based on the young generation, and their concern is not   material wellfare. If this would be the main issue, You would rather see   the older generation on the streets.
 What frustrates the young and innovative generation in Iran is the   political and ideological oppression, that is absolutely toxic to   creativity. It destroys their dreams. Don”t compare Iran (under Shah or   under the ajatollahs) with debt-loaden european countries. Compare it   with Israel, for instance. Israel is not really rich, and the material   living standard might be much lower than for instance in Saudi Arabia or   some european countries. But the gouvernment in Israel knows exactly   that the best thing you can give to your people and to make them loyal   is freedom of thoughts and ideas. People in Israel dont think their   country is heaven on earth, but it allows them to work on their dreams,   some of them are gorgious, other might be funny, others might be silly.   But Israel can beat every other nation in the world by its creativity   output (scientific, technological, cultural). But you can get this only   if you give freedom to the people. This is why totalitarian regimes  fall  behind sooner or later in science and technology. Ask why all our  new  technologies, GSM, GPS, internet, satellites, biotech, modern   transportation, chemistry, pharmceuticals were invited in “free   countries” like the europeans, US, Japan ? I tell you there is nothing   genetically, the people from arab countries or china or russia are not   less intelligent or innovative. But to rise this creative potential,   they had to leave their country and try it in US or europe. There is   also no link between a high living standard and creativity, otherwise we   would see most of high tech coming from countries like SA, Emirates,   Singapoor, Lichtenstein or Monacco.
 Creativity, which on the long term is the only thing bringing happiness   and satisfaction to man, needs free spirits in an open world.
 And this is why (thanks god) totalitarian regimes only seem to be made   for eternity, but never survive for very long. If you keep your people   in mental custody, their loyality will erode quickly.
 And therefor what I wish to the Iranian people after the IRI went to the   scrap-yard of History is not the type of material wealth and   intellectual degradation like in SA or Emirates, but I wish them a   liberation of ideas and creativity. Material wealth will come   automatically with it.
 And whether a “secular monarchy” is more likely to guarantee this  (as  in UK or skandinavia) or a grassroot democracy is more appropriate (like  in  switzerland)  is hard to tell from the outside and depends on  tradition and mentallity. I agree with you that western-style democracy  can not be taken  as a “conditio sine qua non” for a new Iran. I also  agree with you that  the global power-players should stop trying to  exploit Iran for their  purposes. They did this for too long time, and  what the english and  russians and americans considered THEIR Great Game prepared the ground for the unjustice under which the iranian people have to suffer for too long time now. 
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Radius, that is another point of mine  (Amir Parveniz)
I believe that what people really want is FREEDOM and this is what was  stolen from Iranians as a result of the revolution, which is why it was  such a true pity it occured. If we as Iranians pursue Democracy, then i  believe we will lose our ability to have freedom.
 Whereas, if we pursue a secular monarchy, the Institution by virtue of  what it can accomplish against foreign domination and their exploitation  of political parties in 3rd world countries like ours will unlike a  democratic govt help people accomplish freedom.  Just like it existed  and was growing every day during the 1970″s with the late Shah.
 Consider the Voice of America Show funded by the US goverment, Parazit,  which at the begining says Azadi, Edalat, Democracy, Barabari, Jameheyeh  madani.  I feel that as the US Government tries to popularize the  concept of democracy for Iranians a people with no institutions for it,  their aim is not to help us restore freedom for Iranians.  Which is a  totally different subject.  The USA already undermined freedom from  Iranians once before, when will Iranians learn? They are behind and  support muslim fundamentalism.
 While I don”t agree with alot of what this Journalist Mr Evans has to  say, conclusions, I agree that his facts are accurate…  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpHAe70ohEk . The truth is it has been US  foreign policy to maintain and expand fundamentalism, both parties  liberals and republicans.
 The goal of all Iranians should be freedom and justice first, this is  more easily brought about by a sovereign, than groups of politicians  attempting to share power.
 AMIR PARVIZ
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Monarchy or Parlamentary Democracy  (Radius)
Dear Amir Parviz,   There is not much to contradict from your last post,  I have to admit. My yesterdays comment requesting a free society for  the iranian people is perhaps a very long term aim. It is nothing that  can be guaranteed from the next morning after the ajatollahs are removed  from power. My hope that Iran will face a future in Freedom, with same  civil rights for everybody and a prosperous economy is shared by the  majority of people here. But at the moment, it is like a dream, and even  when the green movement overcomes the IRI regime, it will be a long and  stony way to get there. In particular, one has to face the problem that  all the supporters of IRI, the Basidj, Revolutionary Guards, Pazdaran,  Sepah and all the others who currently benefit from the regime, that  they might resist a new liberal society. It is hard to tell what it  needs to make them loyal to a new, liberal gouvernment, if they lose  all their privileges. In the best case (what I hope) there really might  be a peaceful transformation like in post-war germany or the eastern  european countries after fall of communism. Here, the former elite lost  its influence (theoretically, but in some countries just converted into  the new economic players). Ideally, they should face trials, not  neccesarrily to punish them, but to clear and document what had happened  and what was their function and help them to finding a way into the new  society.
 In the worst case, the former elite could go in the underground and  start an endless fight against the new system. Usually the risk for the  later is very high if there is no new identification, just as in Iraq of  Afghanistan, where the US-backed Hamid Kazai or el-Maliki are  considered puppets of the foreign powers and democracy as we said  yesterday just a tool to rule the country from the outside. This is the  reason why so many support the Taliban or partisan and sectarian groups  there. Nobody respects the new rulers. In particular, if you have a  multi-ethnic society with religious and cultural heterogeneity, what is  even more pronounced in Iran due to its rich and long history.
 There is no way around a strong personality at the top, at least for the  first years after the political changes. This personality must be  respected by all ethnic groups and must protect minorities and all  religious groups equally. And for this I could really follow your idea  of a secular monarchy. I agree that a strong Shah would be the best  guarantee to unify the country and protect freedom and civil rights for  everybody. Otherwise he/she will face again resistance and illoyality  from religious leaders, who in Iran like in any other country always  believe that they have their own rights and values.
 But a modern monarchy simply cannot work like the european courts  hundred years ago or the persian empire under Xerxes or Darious, where  autocracy was the most efficient form of ruling a country. I think an  efficient parlament is essential to give the people the feeling that   the new system works in their own interest rather than in the particular  interest of a dynasty. I think there are plenty of examples that a  constitutionally monarchy as in skandinavian countries or UK or even  Marocco can provide a long term stable society with the best ballance  between personal freedom, responsibility for the whole country and  certain degree of security. This is what I hope for a future Iran as  well.